Forgive me for my lack of grappling expertise, but isnt this similar to a no-gi Osoto Gaeri? (maybe more of a trip than a 'reap"?
I cannot recall any official names for the technique shown and discussed at the start of the thread (end of the first sequence from pinan godan) but I would describe it as "kubi hineri" which literally means "neck crank" or "neck twist".
Thank you for producing the footage - excellent stuff.
I teach this as 1 application of the Osae Uke/ Nukite / Turn to Shuto Uke of our Pinan Shodan kata, if resistance is given to the trip then the 'wrap' is the folding of the extended Nukite and the 'help' comes from feeding the point of the other elbow into the attackers face/chest.
It makes sense for the turn and the angle shown in the kata.
I wasn't paying attention to the difference between neck crank and neck wrap descriptions, and this thread has cleared that up for me, many thanks! (Our Naihanchi contains more neck crank techniques).
I noticed in your video that your Uke is stood with right leg forward ... was this a concious choice for the demo?
What happens with someone with left leg forward? The opposite to what we see in the Kata I suppose.
As the Uke is a 'south paw' or seems like it, I wonder why the Kata would give us a version of the throw for the exceptions, ie should the Kata not apply the nukite on the left and mirror the turn as it is now to deal with the majority of people? Obviously I'm assuming most people would favour standing with left leg slightly forward and as such hip pointing diagonally to left
Maybe the nukite is designed as an image to push an opponent off balance and backwards (hence the nukite steo forward) into a southpaw position and soften them up for a throw..... or as in the photo of Funakoshi shows the Uke has his arm outstretched infront as if he's just tried to step in and punch.
I'm swicth off you tube now :p
Paul Anderson wrote:I noticed in your video that your Uke is stood with right leg forward ... was this a conscious choice for the demo?
No. The uke in that clip is actually left handed, but that’s not really the point :-)
Karateka (and almost all other strikers) tend to fight with their strong hand back when fighting each other … hence seeing as most people are right handed, most karateka fight with their left foot forward. However, grapplers tend to do the exact opposite because they want their strong side forward for the optimum control of their opponent. Right handed judoka and wrestlers tend to fight right side forward.
Because it is a grappling technique, and for grappling it’s generally advantageous to have your strong side forward, the kata shows it right to right i.e. it shows it on the side that most people will find most effective (strongest arm around the neck).
In kata generally I have observed a left foot forward bias for striking, and a right foot forward bias for grappling (which is what a right-handed person would generally prefer). Of course we need to do things on both sides, and there is a vital need to integrate the grappling with the striking. So regardless of what side the kata shows something on, we should drill it on both sides. The general point though is that it’s not true a right handed person is always best served by having their left foot forward. If you look at the “grappling world”, you’ll see it’s the opposite to what we find in the “striking world”.
I hope that helps? Bottom line: drill things on both sides :-)
All the best,
Iain Abernethy wrote:In kata generally I have observed a left foot forward bias for striking, and a right foot forward bias for grappling (which is what a right-handed person would generally prefer).
Thanks Iain! that's very interesting, never come across that before ... somewhat essential when trying to understand non striking aspects of Kata.
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