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WadoBen
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Black belt syllabus

I was talking to a friend who trains in goju ryu the other day about syllabus for black belt grades between the dan grade and I was interested to see the difference between the syllabus' we both train in (I study wado ryu) 

I began to wonder what other groups expect between dan grades. If any one feels like sharing their experiences of dan grade syllabus' I'd be interested to hear about them.

within my original style we are expected to perform more complex kicking techniques, jumping spinning kicks. Chinto and seishan kata, 3 man  kumite for 2nd dan

large numbers of multiple kicks (6-8 with out placing foot down etc.) rohai and jion kata, kumite. For 3rd dan

after this they are awarded grades 

My original instructor is very much a 3k instructor :(

please share are your dan grade syllabus experiences 

Iain Abernethy
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I did a couple of podcasts on this topic a few years ago which may be of interest:

The Black Belt and the Grading System

I cover the origins of the black belt; how the grading system can encourage the pursuit of things that have no bearing on combative function; how the grading system can both encourage and discourage the inappropriate rise of ego; what could happen if we got rid of the grading system; the lack of standardisation in grading criteria (which I think is a good thing); what grades are legitimate; and many more of the issues surrounding the grading system: http://iainabernethy.co.uk/content/black-belt-and-grading-system

What a Black Belt Should Be (as Iain sees it)

The podcast is split into two halves. In the first half, I discuss the topics that I feel a holistic and pragmatic syllabus should include and why they are so important. I think it would be fair to say that the majority of martial arts syllabuses omit these things so I hope it provides some food for thought. The second part of the podcast discusses how my personal syllabus (which I keep private) is set up and the podcast also breaks down what we do for 9th kyu and 1st dan: http://www.iainabernethy.co.uk/content/what-black-belt-should-be-iain-sees-it

I hope they are of interest.

All the best,

Iain

Black Tiger
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Do you include written tests?

WadoBen
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Black Tiger wrote:

Do you include written tests?

I'd like to include written tests but my fellow instructors don't see the relevance of writing about karate, I belong to, in my opinion, a narrow minded group.

Tau
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I can't talk about Karate Dan grades but I'll certainly give my thoughts on the Jujitsu Dan grades in the organisation that I've come from the direction that I'm going in now.

My experience is that most styles have most of their syllabus esyablished up to 1st Dan and in the 21st century this means increasing depth and breadth of the Kyu grade syllabus, possibly at the detriment of quality. This means the Dan grade syllabus is often lacking new meaningful material and instead is focussed on continual improvement or, if you have an open-minded organisation, student's self-directed learning for the greater good of the style.

The organisation that I've just left after twenty years felt a need to have a Dan grade syllabus so as to continually stimulate it's members. Unfortunately, in my oppinion, the Dan grade syllabus was a disjointed set of fun but unrelated extra skills such as "groundwork" and Nunchaku. I was frustrated at a lack of depth to our forms work. I felt that students were never allowed to learn beyond a fairly shallow level and where the Dan grades could have promoted greater study they sadly failed. Our low Dan grades were hellish good at the fundamentals but weren't allowed to progress beyond these.

I've therefore set my syllabus such that students reaching Shodan have solid fundamentals and a comprehensive skill set but the Shodan is the gateway is greater understanding being able to apply these skills. I am determined that no aspect of my syllabus, Kyu- or Dan- level will be isolated from the bigger picture. Everything is geared to continually stimulating the practitioner, even at Dan level.

Mark B
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My syllabus is built around 3 kata only. The spine of my system is Naihanchi. Students will begin their study of Naihanchi from day one to include Bunkai and impact . Passai and Seisan are introduced and reintroduced as the syllabus progresses , also to include Bunkai and pad exercises. In my opinion this avoids "learning" a kata to grade and nothing more. Dan advancement is based on "actual" skills. By this I mean the student will be able to actually apply freely,regardless of the opponents intervention or obstruction.The student , once Shodan is achieved will choose a kata other than Naihanchi , Passai and Seisan and do independent study. In time they will be expected to present their findings to include pad exercises , Bunkai , two person drills etc. The length and depth of the presentation will increase with Dan rank. I realise my approach may not be too everyone's liking but it's getting results - students who understand kata , how to dissect and apply and deliver significant impact with different striking options. All the best Mark