Applications for "new" koryo poomsae?

What about the double side kicks in the beginning of Koryo? Any thoughts on "practical" application on those?

Ok To kick this one off I will start throwing out suggestions (and hopefully others will follow )

Knife hand block, followed by low side kick and middle side kick: "Panic block a wild haymaker going inside the punch, grab his arm and controll it while dragging him back (back stance) and strike him with a knife hand to the side of the neck. Keep controll of him with both hands (the guard position), strike him with a knee (prep for side kick), break his knee joint with a low side kick, his head now in middle section height is then kicked by the second side kick. Ok I admit this is a little "movie intrepretation" but intrepreting the double side kick is not easy and this is one of very few instances that the kics does not seem to "fit in". This is the newest Black belt pattern of Kukkiwon so it might be the one who is most removed from reality...

 In Totally Taekwondo Magazine issue 34 Richard who has posted a little here shows an application for the opening move. See his article in the magazine that can be downloaded for free on www.totallytkd.com for details, but it is essentually a double knife hand attack to vital points that run down from the eye and below on both sides of the face. 

In one of Cooks books on Taekwondo, tradition, philosophy and techniqe (I believe the title was) he mentions that the somewhat older way of performing the opening move was to stop a head butt.

Another application would be a realease from a double wrist grab (the oponen holds both your wrists with both of his wrists). Simply do the opening move fast and your free, you could add a knife hand attack to the collar bones or to the neck for the forward motion if you like. 

Anyone else wanting to be creative today?

sure, as the person who wrote the apps for Cooks book, i will jump in.i had done two variants depending on the opponent facing you or side facing.

a-(front) low kick just above forward knee, high to mid section. right knife hand to temple, if available, otherwise right triceps to block opponent. left arm reach to grab hair or shoulder, strike any available target right fist. Stepping back into back stance, hook opp. forward leg to front and side, and pull head in opposite direction to throw down. (back stance shift to inward middle block.

b-(side facing)low kick to lateral knee joint, high to mid sectio (LV_GB crossing), right hand can strike and then grab hair, or just grab. Left hand may strike any available target. Stepping into back stance, twist and pull head, forward leg hits opp. lateral anke initiating throw (ashi barai). sounds complicated without the visuals, but is not really.

happy for anyones feedback. have fun!

I'm still perfecting this form and its good to see the techniques available to the form in its application.

Surly the first technique would be:

Beginning move: From Ready position, slowly bring both hands up from waist to eye level; (both hands are knife-hands with palms up, fingers are pointing toward each other while inhaling). Slowly turn knife-hands palms down and push out toward opponent while exhaling, (push knife-hands out slow at first and then fast).

Thanks

When did this version of koryo come into use? It's been about 15 years or so since I last practised TKD so I can't remember if we did this version or an older one back then. My head's too full of shotokan kata these days.

Hi Jon.

Jon Sloan wrote:

When did this version of koryo come into use? It's been about 15 years or so since I last practised TKD so I can't remember if we did this version or an older one back then. My head's too full of shotokan kata these days.

The version of Koryo in this thread was released in 1972. If you want to see the older version from 1965ish follow this link:

http://jungdokwan-taekwondo.blogspot.com/2011/08/koryo-lost-form-of-taekwondo.html . The form in this thread is the mainstream, the other almost completly dissapeared for some reason.

All the best

Here is one I have for the downward block open hand in short stance, followed with an elbow strike to the side in "Horse stance". The oponent has you in a lapel grab. You strike his elbow with your open hand downwards breaking his balance while securing his hand with the other arm (the non blocking hand that goes to the hip). You then move forward into horse stance using your front foot/knee to strike his leg while moving in and simultanious delivering an elbow strike to the head of the oponent.

richard conceicao wrote:

a-(front) low kick just above forward knee, high to mid section. right knife hand to temple, if available, otherwise right triceps to block opponent. left arm reach to grab hair or shoulder, strike any available target right fist. Stepping back into back stance, hook opp. forward leg to front and side, and pull head in opposite direction to throw down. (back stance shift to inward middle block.

b-(side facing)low kick to lateral knee joint, high to mid sectio (LV_GB crossing), right hand can strike and then grab hair, or just grab. Left hand may strike any available target. Stepping into back stance, twist and pull head, forward leg hits opp. lateral anke initiating throw (ashi barai). sounds complicated without the visuals, but is not really.

happy for anyones feedback. have fun!

I played around a little with these the other day and they worked great. I have a question though (open to anyone of course:) ) What about the seemingly strange slow motion done in the middle of the form (right before the 180 degree turn and going back to where you started). The movement is that you move your feet together and move both arms up along the centerline, when the arms are almost straight they move out to the sides before coming together in front of your "Danjun"/in front of your belt knot with one hand in a fist and one hand open.

The only thing I can come up with is a front bear hug over your arms. You strike as hard as you can with the little room you have toward the groin to get some room, get your hands free by moving them up, then you preceed with locking both their elbows by encircling them with your arms. It is better than no application at all (it is not  shown any application in Kukkiwon textbook) but I do not like it at it doesnt do much to the oponent and there is not any logical follow up that I can see employed in the pattern. 

Does anyone have a better application for this move? 

Hello

delighted that you found apps useful. i have been loathe to include apps that were incorporated into book as i do not want fight with publisher.

anyway as a broad hint for what i wrote for the move in question. i applied it as an attack to opponents Pericardium 6 followed by a throw.

if you want further clarification i would probably suggest personal email communication.

best of holidays to all

richard conceicao