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Twin first vertical punch

Hello there

I'd like to discuss twin fist vertical punch.

I think I have seen a picture of Funakoshi demonstrating this movement, I tried to find it but so far haven't been able to. However, What do people have to the application of this, As a punch, it seems fairly awkward with the angles looking off and even the fists would surely get in the way of each other trying to get a decent shot.

When I have been looking of this I have thought about a collar grab, both hands grabbing either side of the collar something like a Maui Thai clinch but different. 


and eye gouge, with either hand applying the gouge. this is a fairly small target so maybe by doing it with both hands gives a better chance of one being able to secure the grip. 

In Toi Gye, the movement is followed up with a front kick double punch. So I would say that either technique would open up this follow up.

Here is a video of the mentioned pattern, vertical fist is the 8th movement.

very interested to hear others thoughts on this 

Iain Abernethy
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Finlay wrote:
In Toi Gye, the movement is followed up with a front kick double punch. So I would say that either technique would open up this follow up.

As a karateka, the Korean forms are not my areas of expertise, but taking the sequence on face value this is what I see:

1) Enemy has gripped you. Move to the side, away from the free arm, strike their arm to disrupt piosture then bring the forearm into the enemy neck to strike and create a barrier. Like the start of Pinan Godan: https://youtu.be/adu0K_JH0mU?t=71

2) Grab the enemy’s hair, pull their head in towards you and deliver an open hand slap to the groin. The reaction from the enemy is likely to see them move their hips back so their posture is disrupted.  

3) Push their head down, still holding hair, as other arm cuts into the back of the enemy’s wrist to strip grip (the slow movement). The sequence is repeated on both sides due to the fact the enemy can grad with either hand.

4) The bit straight toward the camera starts with hands crossing. That is continuing to drive the head down as the other hand punches down onto the enemy’s jaw.

5) If that does not do the job, the enemy will stand up in front of you to correct their attack line. The high “double punch” (the bit you asked about) is then driving the gripped hair / head backward as the other hand grabs the hair on the other side of the head. The fact the enemy is forced to lean back will disrupt posture and limit their ability to deliver effective hand strikes.

6) You then kick the enemy’s leg hard (possibly repeatedly). When the enemy moves their leg back, because of the impact / pain withdrawal, their head will again drop … which you will feel because of the hair grip.

7) You then repeatedly punch the head.   

I hope that helps.

I’d be interested to know what others think?

All the best,


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Thank you for your very detailed response.

I'd like to share my interpretation of the movements. Not sure if this will make any sense but here goes.

1) Defence to a strike, the cross hands preparation acts a flinch to the incoming strike, one hand seizes the attack arms and pulls it down while the other secures a grip on clothing.

2) move the bodyweight forward as you pull the opponent towards you for a headbutt. Grab the leg or trousers of the opponent. 

3) The slow-motion bit. Pull the leg up as you push the body away. This should have the opponent on the floor.

4) if the opponent grabs your hands during the initial sequence, use the cross-hand movement to break the grip

5) Seize the collar or gouge the eyes of the opponent

6) Groin or leg kick

7) Punch till nice and pulpy 

Iain Abernethy
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Finlay wrote:
7) Punch till nice and pulpy

Brilliant! :-)