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shoshinkanuk
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Pinan Shodan Osae Uke/Nukite Sequence

So,

I had the displeasure a short while back of using this simple sequence, for real.

Unfortunatly I was called to assist in a domestic situation, don't ask me why as I won't tell you!

The guy was blind drunk, and had just beat on his wife.

On arrival myself and a friend got the guy out of the house (as he was breaking it into pieces), my friend called the police and I 'dealt' with the guy. Talking down wasn't working.

He was in my face, big time, and begun to shove me around. I was sure he was about to strike out or butt me.

Out of nowhere I removed his arm/s with Osae Uke (press block), stepped into him to barge and used 'old style' Nukite- stuck my thumb in his eye using the palm to guide.

This had the immediate result of him turning away, which allowed me to get his back and hold him in Naihanchi Dachi, with a strangle of sorts. I barged his leg away by kicking to the back of the knee so he had no central stability.

Our Tegumi (Standup wrestling) practice really showed it's worth in all of this as I kept my balance all the way through. The guy prob weighs 15lb-20lb more than me.

The police arrived shortly after and that was that.

I sometimes need to use non-lethal force in aspects of my volenteer work, whilst not exactly life threatening I was shaking for the rest of the night!

Im pleased to report the guy in terms of his eye is ok, the rest im not interested in..............

Jason Lester
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Jim,

for someone who has been training as long as you have in the martial arts im surprised you have not got more control over your emotions regarding "shaking all night" after a minor incident.

Jason

deltabluesman
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Adrenaline dumps are common after real situations.  Martial arts training can help you fight through an adrenaline dump, but it does not eliminate it.  Different people experience these in different ways.  I have seen athletic, tough competitors experience an adrenaline dump after relatively minor situations.  I have seen seasoned doormen who excel in real-life violence get caught off guard by an adrenaline dump during their first challenging MMA match.  A person is not a lesser martial artist because he or she experiences that feeling.  

My most debilitating adrenaline dumps always came during training and competition.  Maybe because people were watching, maybe because I had been thinking about it all day.  I still get nervous before really intense training sessions.  In real-life situations, I found the adrenaline dump much more manageable.  Maybe because the events were happening so quickly, maybe because it usually seemed unreal to me.  They are hard to predict.  So I disagree with Jason that your martial arts training should have somehow prevented that from happening. 

For example:  a close friend of mine was really unsettled after a man surprised him late at night in his driveway.  This friend had a bit of an ego and used to frequently end up fighting people to show off his MMA training.  He had no problem brawling with a complete stranger at a party, but being caught offguard like that left him with the adrenaline dump.  

On another note...

Shoshinkanuk, did you intentionally go for the eye, or did it happen accidentally?  And if you intentionally went for it, do you think you would use it again under those circumstances?  For the record:  I am not trying to be an armchair commando, I am just curious as to how you viewed the situation.  

shoshinkanuk
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Jason Lester wrote:

Jim,

for someone who has been training as long as you have in the martial arts im surprised you have not got more control over your emotions regarding "shaking all night" after a minor incident.

Jason

Hi Jason,

Actually now you mention it, so was I.

I think the context needs to be considered, and the potential after effects- I basically entered another mans home, removed him from it and stuck my thumb in his eye............

From an adrenalin dump perspective, I was able to act, and act effectivly. This was not always the case for me as I suffered a couple of very serious beatings in my early 20's, granted when I used to drink etc. In those situations I 'froze', not flight, not fight.

I'm not sure it was such a minor incident, there was plenty to go horribly wrong but it is what it was and thats that.

Be interesting to hear about others 'incidents', particulary if they related to actual karate technique being deployed.

shoshinkanuk
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deltabluesman wrote:

On another note...

Shoshinkanuk, did you intentionally go for the eye, or did it happen accidentally?  And if you intentionally went for it, do you think you would use it again under those circumstances?  For the record:  I am not trying to be an armchair commando, I am just curious as to how you viewed the situation.  

In this situation I had 'time' to consider what was best, but it just happened when the gap appeared, but yes my intent was to stick my thumb in the guys eye.

This combination of Osae Uke/Nukite (with the thumb) was shown to me several years ago and is a core movement in my dojo- it is indeed the basic Bunkai!

It's one of the few incidents where I can actually 'see' a direct, solid relation to kata, hence my posting of it.

Thinking a bit deeper on it, im taller than most, and generally have a reach advantage this is another reason why this Bunkai works well for me, even though we were very close when I decided to act.

Of course the guy was blind drunk so I had a major advantage in that sense. I most certainly would use it again given the 'gap'.

JWT
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Hi Jim

As deltabluesman says, adrenaline dumps are common after real situations as well as before and during.  

What often happens is that after a situation occurs the conscious mind takes stock of what could have happened as well as what did happen, a chain of thought that can trick the amygdala into causing another fresh hormonal cascade.  This time however you're not doing anything to use it, so the 'side effects' become more pronounced.

I seem to remember Roger Sheldon showing me this variant of nukite almost a decade ago.

You're okay, the situation has been resolved fairly peacefully, no permanent harm done to the other guy, reasonable force used according to your honest beief as to the danger of the situation: you should be happy.

John

Gary Chamberlain
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Shoshinkan

In my book I wrote at length about my fear and adrenaline response.  I was amazed at the feedback from some of my peers who all felt exactly the same.  No one mentioned it at the time of course for fear of being 'the only one who felt like that'.

Let's just say there was a lot of stone faces and good acting.

I think it's great that experienced people are now far happier to discuss this, as youngsters starting out accept that this is entirely natural.

Same in the Fire Service.  There used to be a macho culture and admitting fear was social suicide and an open invitation for merciless piss-taking.  But when some of us old boys get together we often admit to how scared we were.

It's not a bad thing.  There can be no courage without fear.

Gary

Black Tiger
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Jim,

I think you did really well, many times I've been involved in situations and the kata I practice ALWAYS finds its way into the mix. Last tim e I was in an altercation, protecting a girl from her boyfriend who decided to take his rage out on her was my Ashihara Nage No Kata NI Combinations. so totally with you on this respect.

I commend you that it was a Police vehicle that too the "gentleman" away not an ambulance, as someone less controlled would have beaten ten tons of £$%^ out of him

Thing is the "wife" will probably forgive him and take him back to do it all again in a few months time.