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Mulberry4000
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Ju no kata

I love this kata what do you think of it etc

Iain Abernethy
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I was shown this kata once by John Skillen just before a group training session; which ironically was focused 100% on striking. It was never show it by my Judo coach. That’s not a surprise because it was a competition focused club and kata was rarely done. I’m always curious about all forms of kata, and I had asked John to walk me through it.

Form what little I do know if it, I understand the “forms of gentleness” was created by Kano himself. Its purpose was to promote some of the key principles of Judo (softness and yielding) in a way that does not require direct supervision (no throw is completed).  

Personally, it does not appeal. It seems to “abstract” to me. That said, I really don’t know enough about it and its role to meaningfully comment.

All the best,

Iain

Les Bubka
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I have no understanding of this kata, but it looks like a great exercise for strength, mobility and stretching then to build throwing technique.

I will see my Judo friend in few weeks he is doing traditional one so I ask him about this one

Kind regards,

Les

ky0han
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Hi everyone,

I really love watching those Judo forms.

Kime no Kata is very interesting:

 

But my favorite Judo-Gata to watch is Itsutsu-no-kata:

 

Regards Holger

P.S. My Judo is very limited since I only trained in a regular class 2 times smiley

Iain Abernethy
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ky0han wrote:
Kime no Kata is very interesting:

I agree. Mabini also thought it was reminiscent of kata bunkai:

“Kata movement is meant to be used in a real encounter as it effectively uses physical strength, respiration and vital energy to mould technique. Kata is used against an opponent’s aggression and is similar to Judo’s Kime no kata.” – Kenwa Mabuni, Seipai no Kenkyu 1934

ky0han wrote:
But my favorite Judo-Gata to watch is Itsutsu-no-kata:

Never seen that one before! It strikes me as less kata and more “the principles of judo expressed via the medium of interpretive dance” :-)

All the best,

Iain

tesla_pasta
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Nage no Kata is by far the most popular/practiced, since its usually a requirement for shodan, as well as the best ‘performance’ kata. It mostly serves as a sampler of the different categories of throw (Ashi Waza, te Waza, koshi Waza, masutemi waza, yokosutemi Waza). It’d be fun to put together a Karate Nage no kata with the 9 (10? 11?) throws from Funakoshis books for demonstration. 

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Marc
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tesla_pasta wrote:

It’d be fun to put together a Karate Nage no kata with the 9 (10? 11?) throws from Funakoshis books for demonstration.

If you cut out the talking and the kata sequences from this video, it comes close to the idea of a "Shoto-Nage-Kata" (TM ;-).

Iain Abernethy
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Marc wrote:
If you cut out the talking and the kata sequences from this video, it comes close to the idea of a "Shoto-Nage-Kata" (TM ;-).

That’s Craig (aka “tubbydrawers” on this forum) and I agree such a kata would be something all Shotokan practitioners may want to consider. Other karateka too, but definitely Shotokan practitioners seeing as these the throws Funakoshi himself sought to show in his writings.  

All the best,

Iain

PS Good name too! :-)