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Alan.Troughton
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Pinan Sandan Ending Sequence

Hi All,

I am new to this forum. My name is Alan and I have been training in Wado for the past 30 years. I am here to share ideas, learn from others and most of all enjoy discussing my favourite subject.

I have a Pinan Sandan bunkai video to share, would love to hear peoples views and feedback and engage in enjoyable debate and conversation.

Wastelander
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Welcome to the forum, and thanks for sharing! I can't help but point out that your Pinan Sandan application is Naihanchi Shodan application with steps, but you'll find that I'm the resident "everything is Naihanchi" guy :P

Alan.Troughton
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@Wastelander..Thanks for your message and viewing my content!. Your feedback is interesting I will certainly take a look at Naihanci Shodan application for reference as I havent seen the bunkai you are refering to.

Thanks Again.

Iain Abernethy
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Hi Alan,

Thanks for joining and posting! Welcome aboard! I like the first arm-lock one (and Noah mentions it is similar to Naihanchi :-)). The switching sides from the back in response to a potential draw is solid too. When you did the forearm to the nose, I thought you were going to hook your arm under the neck as you turn, as per the kata, in a kind of neck-ring throw (https://iainabernethy.co.uk/content/kushanku-kanku-dai-kubi-wa-throw-video). That may be an option to consider?

All the best,

Iain

Alan.Troughton
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Hi Iain,

Thank you its good to be here!. As I said to Noah I will have a look at Naihanchi Shodan as its another reference which is great!. The reason behind the forearm was twofold. Firstly the neck throw you refered to is a great option. That there is no doubt. I wanted to explore to see if there were any other alternatives (to which im sure there are lots) and one that sprung to mind was the potential that the opponent would have their chin down making it harder for the person to get their arm under their neck (although you still have the opponents back and can easily pull them to the floor) and secondly with their chin down if the person attempts the lock(unsuccessfully) it may leave them open to getting biten on th arm?. So the nose strike with the forearm is potentially an alternative to knok the oppoenent back(if not down) and then flow on with whatever follow up attack that is appropiate.

What are your views and do you feel that this is pragmatically relevant?

Alan

Iain Abernethy
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Personally, I tend to aim forearm strikes towards the neck (softer target which often leads to a located / controlled head) and I’d switch to hand / elbow strikes for the head itself. I’d therefore not deliberately aim my forearm at the nose. Not saying that not an option, or that it’s “wrong”, just that it would not be my preference. If the head was down, then bringing it up to strike is one possibility (as we see in quite a few kata) or striking while down is another (as we see at other places in kata).

As an aside, it took me a moment to realise the flashing blue light (2:04) in the window was from withing the room … I wondered why the police were outside at first … I then realised it’s just been Christmas! I’m not back up to full speed yet :-)

Thanks for sharing Alan! I look forward to seeing more!

All the best,

Iain

Alan.Troughton
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That makes a lot of sense and the awareness of where the head is and its certainly something to pay more attention on in our training which is great!

Yes that particular student we train alot at his home and in the winter/Christmas time we train indoors so hence the front room and yes the lights were the xmas tree at the other side of the room :)....(Although it could easily of been the police in that area!). Thats normally where we throw ideas around as he is an inspiring Instructor and loves the practical side of Karate.

Thanks again for taking the time to give feedback on my content...I really appreciate it. I have lots to discuss and share and look forward to sharing more. 

Have a great Sunday!

Alan

Iain Abernethy
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Alan.Troughton wrote:
That makes a lot of sense and the awareness of where the head is and its certainly something to pay more attention on in our training which is great!

It’s an “unknowable” too. Sometimes people tuck their chin in and cower, sometimes the turn and look at you, sometimes the head whips back, etc. We can’t know where it’s going to be ahead of time … which I believe is why we often see variations across the various incarnations of kata. As an example, at the start of Neiseishi / Nijushiho some styles punch over the arm and some punch under. There then follows debate about which is “right” … but the truth is both are right: if is head is down you punch under, and if the head it up you punch over. We always need to adapt the movement to the circumstances; and different versions of the kata chose differing examples.  

Alan.Troughton wrote:
That’s normally where we throw ideas around as he is an inspiring Instructor and loves the practical side of Karate.

Good bunkai is where you find it and a dojo can be anywhere :-)

Alan.Troughton wrote:
Thanks again for taking the time to give feedback on my content...I really appreciate it. I have lots to discuss and share and look forward to sharing more.

Thanks for sharing ideas!

All the best,

Iain